<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I can't find if this has been asked but are CIL payments/Reimbursements taxed for PFML? I had originally thought yes, but have been asked to check in to this. </div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Katie Gourley<div>RSU 25</div><div>Business Manager</div><div>207-469-7311</div><div><a href="mailto:katie@rsu25.org" target="_blank">katie.gourley@rsu25.org</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 3:47 PM Adam Hanson <<a href="mailto:ahanson@lewistonpublicschools.org">ahanson@lewistonpublicschools.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">After attending webinars, reading the latest rules and updated FAQ, this is how we are planning to proceed until we hear otherwise from the state or the IRS:<div>1. We will be treating the employee share of PFML deductions as "post-tax", so withheld on full gross pay, not reduced by any other deductions, even if they fall under a Section 125 agreement.</div><div>2. We will be including anything we otherwise treat as "taxable" wages in the 1% calculation. So that will include cash in lieu, travel stipends and cell phone stipends.</div><div><br></div><div>FYI, I fully agree with everyone who has expressed their opinions about the insanity of this law, particularly the fact that it includes public school departments. </div><div>We have Enterprise ERP (AKA Munis) software, and they have provided no guidance as to how we will produce our quarterly files for upload, or how we will exclude from the reports the employee groups to whom the law does not yet apply because of the October 2023 "temporary grandfathering" rule. They are "looking into it".</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck to everyone.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 10:27 AM Field, Stacie <<a href="mailto:sfield@rsu16.org" target="_blank">sfield@rsu16.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, that is what they are all saying. </div><div>But, it is not right to disregard IRS reduction agreements for the employee portion.</div><div>That is my argument. </div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><br></div><div>Stacie Field<br></div>Business Manager<br></div>RSU 16 - Poland, Mechanic Falls, Minot<br></div>207.998.2727 ext 102<br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 10:02 AM Deb Roberts <<a href="mailto:DRoberts@msmaweb.com" target="_blank">DRoberts@msmaweb.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Harkin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 5, 2024 8:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Moderated information sharing for school business managers <<a href="mailto:schoolfinance@maillist.informe.org" target="_blank">schoolfinance@maillist.informe.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [SchoolFinance] PFML question<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Stacie for the clarification about SUTA and FUTA being employer taxes. Although a portion of FICA is employer, but we won't go there!<u></u><u></u></p>
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