[SchoolFinance] [EXT] Re: PFML question
Laura Parker
lparker at msad49.org
Thu Dec 5 13:27:22 EST 2024
We set up a deduction manually in SERP, however I am struggling on how to
force the deduction to round to the nearest dollar.
Hoping the Tyler update will address this problem.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 1:10 PM Katie Gourley <KATIE.GOURLEY at rsu25.org>
wrote:
> Has anyone set up the deduction in ERP yet?
>
> Katie Gourley
> RSU 25
> Business Manager
> 207-469-7311
> katie.gourley at rsu25.org <katie at rsu25.org>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 10:27 AM Dawn Fickett <dfickett at msad37.org> wrote:
>
>> Agree, Stacie Field. It's not fair to employers who already provide paid
>> leave to now have to pay for this other leave!
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 10:02 AM Field, Stacie <sfield at rsu16.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Medicare also has an employer portion, but employees pay both those
>>> taxes (FICA and Medicare).
>>> We pay no portion of SUTA or FUTA, nor can the employer pass any portion
>>> of these taxes on to employees.
>>> This is the craziest thing I have ever seen. Why don't they just assess
>>> the leave to employers who don't have paid leave, instead of making Maine
>>> workers pay for it?
>>> I did leave that comment during the open comment time frame.
>>>
>>> Stacie Field
>>> Business Manager
>>> RSU 16 - Poland, Mechanic Falls, Minot
>>> 207.998.2727 ext 102
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 8:53 AM Lisa Harkin <lharkin at kitteryschools.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Stacie for the clarification about SUTA and FUTA being employer
>>>> taxes. Although a portion of FICA is employer, but we won't go there!
>>>> This really is a bad situation.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 3:41 PM Field, Stacie <sfield at rsu16.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I looked at the Circular E, and pub 15-A and 15-B. Also spoke
>>>>> directly with Tim Applegate, and the IRS last week.
>>>>> I keep arguing you cannot tax an employee on Section 125 or 403(b)
>>>>> reduction agreements. Not getting anywhere.
>>>>> SUTA and FUTA are employER taxes, not employEE, so none of this
>>>>> matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have to honor reduction agreements, which are under IRS
>>>>> regulations.
>>>>> I do not believe the State of Maine can override the IRS. I don't
>>>>> feel I have gotten anywhere. I am just hoping for a lawsuit down the road.
>>>>> If I can find an attorney willing to take it on, I'll start one. My two
>>>>> cents, less .5% of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stacie Field
>>>>> Business Manager
>>>>> RSU 16 - Poland, Mechanic Falls, Minot
>>>>> 207.998.2727 ext 102
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 3:02 PM Lisa Harkin <lharkin at kitteryschools.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, me again, last post I promise.
>>>>>> Has anyone looked at the Circular E?
>>>>>> Exempt from FUTA (ie PFML?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Government employment:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. State/local governments and political subdivisions, employees of:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a. Salaries and wages (includes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> payments to most elected and appointed officials). See
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chapter 3 of Pub. 963.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AND
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Insurance for employees:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Accident and health insurance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> premiums under a plan or system for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> employees and their dependents generally or for a class or classes of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> employees and their dependents
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 2:34 PM Andrea Disch <adisch at msad11.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, Lisa, my apologies for not being clearer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was clarified during yesterday's PFML portal webinar that PFML
>>>>>>> does not allow for the carve-out earnings exemptions that are available
>>>>>>> under unemployment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrea Disch
>>>>>>> Business Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maine School Administrative District No. 11
>>>>>>> 150 Highland Avenue • Gardiner, Maine 04330
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 207-582-5346
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *aDisch at msad11.org <aDisch at msad11.org>*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *www.msad11.org <http://www.msad11.org>*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 1:12 PM Lisa Harkin <
>>>>>>> lharkin at kitteryschools.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I heard that PFML has the same exemptions as SUTA and FUTA, so I am
>>>>>>>> deducting Health and Dental from gross wages.
>>>>>>>> Reading your reply again, you are talking about earnings, not
>>>>>>>> exemptions to gross earnings, so Health exemptions are a completely
>>>>>>>> different subject. Apologies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some volunteers get paid, oxymoron, I know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 10:59 AM Andrea Disch <adisch at msad11.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MSAD 11 will be deducting PFML from all school board
>>>>>>>>> member compensation, as well.
>>>>>>>>> It was stated again at yesterday's meeting that PFML does not have
>>>>>>>>> the earnings exemptions that SUTA has, including school board members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrea Disch
>>>>>>>>> Business Manager
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maine School Administrative District No. 11
>>>>>>>>> 150 Highland Avenue • Gardiner, Maine 04330
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 207-582-5346
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *aDisch at msad11.org <aDisch at msad11.org>*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *www.msad11.org <http://www.msad11.org>*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 9:12 AM Coulombe, Jessica <
>>>>>>>>> jessica.coulombe at rsu4.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A question I have is for School Board members. I am thinking that
>>>>>>>>>> PFML wages would be subject to the PFML deduction., as we consider them
>>>>>>>>>> volunteers that receive an honorarium stipend. Your thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Jessica
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 9:01 AM Andrea Disch <adisch at msad11.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have not received any specific guidance regarding but we are
>>>>>>>>>>> being told that there are few exceptions to PFML, fewer exceptions than for
>>>>>>>>>>> SUTA.
>>>>>>>>>>> My guess would be that if the wage flows through payroll, and
>>>>>>>>>>> you would withholdSUTA, you will also need to withhold PFML taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrea Disch
>>>>>>>>>>> Business Manager
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maine School Administrative District No. 11
>>>>>>>>>>> 150 Highland Avenue • Gardiner, Maine 04330
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 207-582-5346
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *aDisch at msad11.org <aDisch at msad11.org>*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *www.msad11.org <http://www.msad11.org>*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 2:44 PM Krol, Gabrielle <
>>>>>>>>>>> gabrielle.krol at msad52.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good Afternoon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone has seen or heard any guidance on if
>>>>>>>>>>>> we are imposing this tax to Cash in Lieu, or Travel stipends. I may have
>>>>>>>>>>>> missed this guidance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gabrielle Krol
>>>>>>>>>>>> Business Manager
>>>>>>>>>>>> MSAD 52
>>>>>>>>>>>> 486 Turner Center Road
>>>>>>>>>>>> Turner, ME 04282
>>>>>>>>>>>> 207-225-1006
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>>>>>>>>>> Payroll Specialist
>>>>>>>>>> Wellness Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>> RSU 4
>>>>>>>>>> 971 Gardiner Rd
>>>>>>>>>> Wales, Me 04280
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